Comments for Heart Issues for LDS http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:59:32 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Gay Petition to the First Presidency by Gail F. Bartholomew http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/gay-petition-to-the-first-presidency/#comment-7699 Gail F. Bartholomew Sat, 11 Jul 2009 04:59:32 +0000 http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/?p=1757#comment-7699 Bridget Jack Meyers, I must admit that you have a point about slactivism. Yes, the Brethren may not care that I signed it. They certainly have not seemed to show my four letters I have written to them any interest. I thing the e-petition can serve a very unique role in the Mormon culture. We live in a culture that is not given to a lot of opportunities for expressions of these types of views. For example I can not stand up in fast meeting a share my personal testimony that love ones in my life were created by God gay. My bishop who believes my testimony is true has told me he would need to stop me if I did. The same bishop sits and cringes while other ward members stand and talk about how the gay community and agenda is destroying the family. He believes these things are untrue, but feels powerless to stop these comments. When I sign my name to e-petitions like this one my fellow ward members can if the wish go and see what type of people would ever sign a petition like this. When they see my name maybe they will ask me why the hell why? Or they will at least know a bit of where I stand, something they will never learn seeing me in church. Thank you, Gail Bridget Jack Meyers,

I must admit that you have a point about slactivism. Yes, the Brethren may not care that I signed it. They certainly have not seemed to show my four letters I have written to them any interest. I thing the e-petition can serve a very unique role in the Mormon culture.

We live in a culture that is not given to a lot of opportunities for expressions of these types of views. For example I can not stand up in fast meeting a share my personal testimony that love ones in my life were created by God gay. My bishop who believes my testimony is true has told me he would need to stop me if I did. The same bishop sits and cringes while other ward members stand and talk about how the gay community and agenda is destroying the family. He believes these things are untrue, but feels powerless to stop these comments.

When I sign my name to e-petitions like this one my fellow ward members can if the wish go and see what type of people would ever sign a petition like this. When they see my name maybe they will ask me why the hell why? Or they will at least know a bit of where I stand, something they will never learn seeing me in church.

Thank you,
Gail

]]> Comment on Rick Davis, blacks, Rexburg (nation’s most conservative region) by Dustin http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2006/10/26/rick-davis-blacks-rexburg-nations-most-conservative-region/#comment-7698 Dustin Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:25:29 +0000 http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2006/11/30/rick-davis-blacks-rexburg-nations-most-conservative-region/#comment-7698 Wow, this really isnt a big deal. Do you really think he doesnt like black people? Spare me pleeeeaaase. There are MUCH bigger problems of racism going on in the BLACK communities against white people, as well as much more abhorrent things said about black people from people who ACTUALLY HATE BLACKS! Also, consider the fact that black communities across the board are more poor and less educated and commit more crimes compared to the general population of America. Now is that racist or a FACT? Are we too afraid to call a fact by what it is... a FACT? I LOVE people like you who are offended at every drop of a pen. Wow, this really isnt a big deal. Do you really think he doesnt like black people? Spare me pleeeeaaase. There are MUCH bigger problems of racism going on in the BLACK communities against white people, as well as much more abhorrent things said about black people from people who ACTUALLY HATE BLACKS! Also, consider the fact that black communities across the board are more poor and less educated and commit more crimes compared to the general population of America. Now is that racist or a FACT? Are we too afraid to call a fact by what it is… a FACT? I LOVE people like you who are offended at every drop of a pen.

]]> Comment on Gay Petition to the First Presidency by Bridget Jack Meyers http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/gay-petition-to-the-first-presidency/#comment-7697 Bridget Jack Meyers Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:57:20 +0000 http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/?p=1757#comment-7697 <strong>Gail</strong> ~ I am relieved that you, at least, are not merely a slacktivist. Forgive me that I am cynical of any form of "activism" which does not require people to leave their computer chairs (short of donating money to a cause). It's great if the people who sign this petition are involved in the cause in other ways, but I really do think there are much better ways to show support for the gay rights movement (or any other political cause) than e-petitions. And I do wonder how many of the names on there have never done anything for the cause other than sign this e-petition. Gail ~ I am relieved that you, at least, are not merely a slacktivist. Forgive me that I am cynical of any form of “activism” which does not require people to leave their computer chairs (short of donating money to a cause).

It’s great if the people who sign this petition are involved in the cause in other ways, but I really do think there are much better ways to show support for the gay rights movement (or any other political cause) than e-petitions. And I do wonder how many of the names on there have never done anything for the cause other than sign this e-petition.

]]> Comment on Gay Petition to the First Presidency by Gail F. Bartholoew http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/gay-petition-to-the-first-presidency/#comment-7696 Gail F. Bartholoew Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:14:57 +0000 http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/?p=1757#comment-7696 Bridget Jack Meyers, I not only signed this petition with my first name, but my full name stake and ward. I have given money to more than one organization of this type. I have also volunteered for these organizations. I apologize for comparing myself to Rosa parks. I was attempting to compare the petition to Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat. I believe being willing to sign an e-petition is one of many ways we as Mormons can stand up. I am suggesting that you could be doing or saying something about the pain that is a reality for so many Mormon Homosexuals, instead of complaining that the efforts of some mean nothing. The individuals that created this e-petition not only went to a lot of work to do this, they are involved directly in many other ways. Thank you, Gail Bridget Jack Meyers,

I not only signed this petition with my first name, but my full name stake and ward. I have given money to more than one organization of this type. I have also volunteered for these organizations. I apologize for comparing myself to Rosa parks. I was attempting to compare the petition to Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat. I believe being willing to sign an e-petition is one of many ways we as Mormons can stand up. I am suggesting that you could be doing or saying something about the pain that is a reality for so many Mormon Homosexuals, instead of complaining that the efforts of some mean nothing. The individuals that created this e-petition not only went to a lot of work to do this, they are involved directly in many other ways.

Thank you,
Gail

]]> Comment on Gay Petition to the First Presidency by Bridget Jack Meyers http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/gay-petition-to-the-first-presidency/#comment-7695 Bridget Jack Meyers Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:01:14 +0000 http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/?p=1757#comment-7695 <strong>Todd</strong> ~ I think there were a lot of events leading up to the Bob Jones University apology, not the least of which was that it coincided with our nation electing a black President. Besides that, did your BJU petition require information that could be verified such as full names, addresses, phone numbers, etc.? This gay marriage petition only requires initials or just a first name, and thus names can easily be made-up and submitted. I really don't think the FP is going to be all that impressed that McKenna and Rickey and E.L. and Danielle signed a petition. I also think that this apology is incredibly silly and self-serving because it claims that <em>both sides</em> must examine the wrongdoing in their actions and behaviors, then it only rattles off the things which the LDS church has done wrong and needs to apologize for. Where's the apology from the gay rights community for all the ugly protests and vandalizing of LDS properties and running <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q28UwAyzUkE" rel="nofollow">commercials like this</a>? Whatever happened to <em>both</em> sides examining what they've done wrong? <strong>Gail F. Bartholomew</strong> ~ The fact that you are comparing your signing of a silly online petition to Rosa Park's refusal to give up her seat and thus get arrested for her cause shows that you really do not grasp the issue. Online petitions aren't a chance for you to stand and be counted for anything; they're a chance for you to pat yourself back and feel like you did something to further an important cause when in fact you did nothing. See <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slacktivism" rel="nofollow">slacktivism</a>. If you want to help with gay rights fights, <em>do something</em>. Donate money to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes!_on_Equality" rel="nofollow">Yes! on Equality</a> initiative or other gay rights causes. Volunteer your time for these people. Write an actual letter with your full name, address and phone number to the LDS First Presidency. Organize a campaign to donate stuffed animals to Church HQ so that they can in turn donate them to children's hospitals and other good causes---showing your enemies up in kindness is a <em>great</em> strategy. What side of history do <em>I</em> want to be counted on? The side that didn't sit around on their asses signing silly online petitions and actually went out and did something about the causes they cared about, I hope. Todd ~ I think there were a lot of events leading up to the Bob Jones University apology, not the least of which was that it coincided with our nation electing a black President. Besides that, did your BJU petition require information that could be verified such as full names, addresses, phone numbers, etc.? This gay marriage petition only requires initials or just a first name, and thus names can easily be made-up and submitted. I really don’t think the FP is going to be all that impressed that McKenna and Rickey and E.L. and Danielle signed a petition.

I also think that this apology is incredibly silly and self-serving because it claims that both sides must examine the wrongdoing in their actions and behaviors, then it only rattles off the things which the LDS church has done wrong and needs to apologize for. Where’s the apology from the gay rights community for all the ugly protests and vandalizing of LDS properties and running commercials like this? Whatever happened to both sides examining what they’ve done wrong?

Gail F. Bartholomew ~ The fact that you are comparing your signing of a silly online petition to Rosa Park’s refusal to give up her seat and thus get arrested for her cause shows that you really do not grasp the issue. Online petitions aren’t a chance for you to stand and be counted for anything; they’re a chance for you to pat yourself back and feel like you did something to further an important cause when in fact you did nothing. See slacktivism.

If you want to help with gay rights fights, do something. Donate money to the Yes! on Equality initiative or other gay rights causes. Volunteer your time for these people. Write an actual letter with your full name, address and phone number to the LDS First Presidency. Organize a campaign to donate stuffed animals to Church HQ so that they can in turn donate them to children’s hospitals and other good causes—showing your enemies up in kindness is a great strategy.

What side of history do I want to be counted on? The side that didn’t sit around on their asses signing silly online petitions and actually went out and did something about the causes they cared about, I hope.

]]> Comment on Amy Carmichael on Jesus Christ by Todd Wood http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/amy-carmichael-on-jesus-christ/#comment-7694 Todd Wood Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:59:45 +0000 http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/amy-carmichael-on-jesus-christ/#comment-7694 Twenty years ago two books deeply impacted my life toward Christian missions: 1) <i>A Chance to Die</i> - a biography of Amy C., written by Elisabeth Elliot 2) the complete and unabridged <i>Journals of Jim Elliot</i> Twenty years ago two books deeply impacted my life toward Christian missions:

1) A Chance to Die – a biography of Amy C., written by Elisabeth Elliot

2) the complete and unabridged Journals of Jim Elliot

]]> Comment on Amy Carmichael on Jesus Christ by Jessica http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/amy-carmichael-on-jesus-christ/#comment-7693 Jessica Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:29:13 +0000 http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/amy-carmichael-on-jesus-christ/#comment-7693 Hi Gloria! I used to, but I don't know what happened to it! I absolutely love that book. That book ministered deeply to me during a very difficult period of my life. Some of the concepts in that book have been literally life-changing. Hi Gloria!
I used to, but I don’t know what happened to it! I absolutely love that book. That book ministered deeply to me during a very difficult period of my life. Some of the concepts in that book have been literally life-changing.

]]> Comment on Amy Carmichael on Jesus Christ by gloria http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/amy-carmichael-on-jesus-christ/#comment-7692 gloria Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:12:16 +0000 http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/amy-carmichael-on-jesus-christ/#comment-7692 Jessica, Do you have the book Streams in the Desert? It is written by L.B. Cowman. The book is a devotional. I absolutely love it! God bless, gloria Jessica,
Do you have the book Streams in the Desert? It is written by L.B. Cowman. The book is a devotional. I absolutely love it!

God bless,
gloria

]]> Comment on Amy Carmichael on Jesus Christ by gloria http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/amy-carmichael-on-jesus-christ/#comment-7691 gloria Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:11:18 +0000 http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/amy-carmichael-on-jesus-christ/#comment-7691 I love this quote from Amy Carmichael! I read her bio last year and was deeply touched and profoundly moved by her passion for Christ . God bless, gloria I love this quote from Amy Carmichael! I read her bio last year and was deeply touched and profoundly moved by her passion for Christ .

God bless,
gloria

]]> Comment on Gay Petition to the First Presidency by Gail F. Bartholomew http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/2009/06/28/gay-petition-to-the-first-presidency/#comment-7690 Gail F. Bartholomew Thu, 09 Jul 2009 15:39:14 +0000 http://heartissuesforlds.wordpress.com/?p=1757#comment-7690 Bridget Jack Meyers, I proudly signed this petition. Yes, in itself it may not make any change. How much did Rosa Park's refusal to give up her set do by it's self? How much did the march of 100's of thousands on Washington Square to hear the "I Have a Dream" speech? Nothing by themselves. This petition and others like are an opportunity to stand and be counted. What side of history do you wish to be on? Bridget Jack Meyers,

I proudly signed this petition. Yes, in itself it may not make any change. How much did Rosa Park’s refusal to give up her set do by it’s self? How much did the march of 100’s of thousands on Washington Square to hear the “I Have a Dream” speech? Nothing by themselves. This petition and others like are an opportunity to stand and be counted. What side of history do you wish to be on?

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